Beijing ready to pump water out of Russia’s Lake Baikal for China’s domestic needs

Russia's Lake Baikal (Image: planeta-best.ru)

Russia's Lake Baikal (Image: planeta-best.ru) 

2017/03/09 • Analysis & Opinion, Russia

The Chinese government says that it is prepared to build a 3,000-kilometer-long pipeline to carry water from Russia’s Lake Baikal to farms, industries, and consumers in China, something Moscow officials have suggested they are prepared to consider but that is certain to spark outrage among many Russians.

According to the Chinese plans, the pipeline will extend from the southwestern banks of Baikal through Mongolia, across the Gobi Desert into the Xinjian-Uyghur Autonomous district to Lanzhou, the capital of the Chinese province of Hansu. Russian officials say that environmental impact assessments must be completed first.

The general location and final destination of the proposed Chinese pipeline to transport water from Lake Baikal to China (Image: asiarussia.ru)

The general location and final destination of the proposed Chinese pipeline to transport water from Lake Baikal to China (Image: asiarussia.ru)

The optics of the plan have already sparked outrage in both Russia and Mongolia, in the former because of the image of China sucking Russia dry and in the latter because Russian activists and officials have opposed Mongolian dams on tributaries to Baikal on ecological grounds but seem indifferent to what China is doing.

But what is most annoying in both places, the AsiaRussia portal says, is that

“the Chinese aren’t afraid of a rejection by Russia: they don’t even allow the possibility for that.” For enough money, Moscow will go along, whatever the consequences for Siberia and the Russian people.

There is one indication that even the Chinese may feel they have overplayed their hand by making this announcement. After putting up a map showing the pipeline route on its website on February 17, the Chinese Institute for Water Resources and Hydrological Research took it down and refused to provide copies to Mongol or Russian journalists.

And Vang Khao, the director of that institute, is now saying that it is “too early” to say whether the project will in fact ever be built.


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  • MichaelA

    What an extraordinary demonstration of utter lack of concern for the Far East by muscovites

  • Alex George

    That would be environmental vandalism by the Chinese, but why would the Kremlin even consider it?

    Lake Baikal is a natural wonder of the world. Why should it be plundered by Beijing and Moscow?

    • Tony

      Probably because Russia is China’s bitch.

    • Fortranz

      “- but why would the Kremlin even consider it? -”

      Simple Alex George the only way for the Kremlin to get around the financial crisis of the sanctions on Russia from the Western Democracies is to use China’s fiscal leverage. In other words, the Kremlin must sell out to the Chinese to keep the Russian economy working .

      • Dagwood Bumstead

        Precisely. The dwarf is desperate for cash- remember that according to Tatyana Golikova, head of Dwarfstan’s National Accounting Agency, the Reserve Fund will be empty some time this year, leaving only the Welfare Fund, intended for pensions and other social expenditure, to be raided for the dwarf’s wars.
        In 10 years or so any Dwarfstanian opposition to the pipeline will be irrelevant as Peking will de facto control the territory around Lake Baikal, even if it might still be part of Dwarfstan de jure..

        • Fortranz

          Here is something from the past that may spread more light on this pipe-line idea that the Chinese seem to think is a given for them.

          Russia Embraces Yuan in Move Against U.S. Dollar Hegemony
          http://www(dot)themoscowtimes(dot)com/article.php?id=523715

          • zorbatheturk

            The Chinese certainly don’t want to hold or receive ruSSian roubles, so ruSSia will have to export oil, gas, and minerals for yuan. And in essence the yuan is nothing more than a piece of paper with Mao’s moonfaced mug on it.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            The only things that Dwarfstan produces apart from oil, gas and minerals are Kalashnikovs, MiGs and Sukhois. It can’t even complete its own warships without outside help- the gas turbines came from the Ukraine, diesel engines from Germany. Both are now No Longer Available and Dwarfstan had to sell its incomplete ships to India, which will complete the ships with- guess what- Ukrainian gas turbines and German diesels (tee hee).
            Oh, and Dwarfstan also produces the world’s best prostitutes according to the dwarf- but how can he tell since he likes little boys???? Anyway, I don’t think having the world’s best hookers is something to be proud of.

    • Mykola Banderachuk

      Moscow thinks the Aral Sea project was a success

  • Njordheim

    PAUL A. GOBLE = RUSSOPHOBIC PROPAGANDA TROLL. Everything this retard say the rabid hooked-nose trolls parrot afterwards in comment sections.

    • Quartermaster

      Your ravings are hilarious. For your own sake, however, no matter the entertainment value of your idiocy, it would be best if you got off the Krokodil.

      • Njordheim

        Ahm, you are exactly the type of idiot I described above!

        • Quartermaster

          More like describing yourself. The only mistake you made was to describe yourself as Russophobic since you are deeply in love with your master Putin.

          • Njordheim

            You are just an Ukrap. A yakking Troll who blindly follows irrational dreams!

          • Kruton

            Go back to raping little boys,Bolshevik animal!

          • Njordheim

            Your Ukrap dad is going to do what, you dumb Ukrainian Baboon?

          • Alex George

            He was referring to Vladimir Putin’s known pederastic tendencies.

            Putin is so perverted that he cannot help himself – he even kisses the stomachs of little boys in public (although at least he slunk away when he realised he was being filmed).

          • Njordheim

            Liking kids is not a sin. People in Europe often film their children in bathtubs. This mental illness seems to be deeply rooted in American culture as crazies see ‘sexual’ in most innocent human acts. Thus, to correct your patently wrong statement, there is no such ‘tendencies’ except in your (Ukrap Trolls’) sick heads. Seek Help, you need it. Seriously.

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            The dwarf needs help, of the 9 mm variety.

          • Andrew Chmil

            YOU are the one MENTALLY ILL & NOTHING TO DO!!!

            ***SERBIAN*** — SCUM!

          • Andrew Chmil

            You are a DISGUSTING ***SERBIAN*** HOMOSEXUAL & CHILD RAPIST!!!

            People in Europe do NOT kiss little, strange boys on the stomach!!!

            MONHOLS DO THAT!!! MONHOLS ARE NOT EUROPEAN STUPID!!

            HOWEVER ***SERBIANS*** DO THAT !!!!

            Obviously —- YOU & OTHER ***SERBIANS*** DO THAT & “THINK” IT’S “NORMAL”!!! — YOU ARE A MENTAL CASE ON MEDICATIONS!!!

            You have NEVER been with a woman!
            ***SERBIAN*** homosexual :)))

            http://tinyurl.com/h3gmpem

          • Alex George

            So now you admit that you are a pederast too, just like Putin. No surprises – many Nazi leaders were.

          • Njordheim

            No, you are pederast who see mans love and admiration for children as “sexual act”… typical Ukrap Mental Case!

          • Alex George

            Don’t blame me because Putin likes to kiss the stomachs of little boys – and then runs in shame once he realises somebody filmed it!

          • Quartermaster

            If, when you look in the mirror and don’t see a troll, then you have no idea what the term means.

          • Njordheim

            In the end, no matter how hard you try, you cannot maintain a failure as a success, and Ukraine is a failure!

          • Alex George

            How is Ukraine a “failure”?

            Its economy is improving, despite Russia’s unprovoked aggression against it.

            Its military is easily holding off the incompetent Russian army.

            Diplomatically it is acepted all over the world and is on the way to both NATO and EU membership.

            Nope, can;t see any failure there.

          • Njordheim

            Nah.. you are believing in your lies because you repeated them so many times. But that’s your problem, not mine.

          • Andrew Chmil

            ***SERBIAN*** MENTAL CASE & LYING WANNA-BE TROLL — BUT ONLY AN **UNPAID** VOLUNTEER SCUMBAG ON ***MEDICATIONS*** WITH NOTING TO DO — NO JOB OR EDUCATION & “THE BAD ANGLISH” !!! :)))

          • Alex George

            IN other words, you cannot contradict a single thing I wrote. You do not dare to, because you know you will just end up looking a fool.

          • Njordheim

            You make no sense. All you do is flipping the truth I am presenting. The understanding here is that I am the one good guy who presents the truth and you are the Ukrap Mental Case, Banderite UkrNaZZi and Libtards who is on defensive trying to flip the truth, which is BTW totally futile.

          • Alex George

            No, sorry but you don;t get off that easily. I pointed out that you couldn’t contradict a single thing I wrote – and you still can’t!

            i asked How is Ukraine a “failure”?

            Its economy is improving, despite Russia’s unprovoked aggression against it.

            Its military is easily holding off the incompetent Russian army.

            Its progress in eradicating its heritage of Soviet corruption is slow, but at least it is happening instead of going into reverse, like Russia.

            Diplomatically it is accepted all over the world and is on the way to both NATO and EU membership.

            Nope, can’t see any failure there.

          • Quartermaster

            Irrelevant to what was being said. OTOH, I don’t have to “maintain” anything. The facts speak for themselves, and Ukraine is not what you morons claim it is. Russia, on the other hand, is working out as a failure.

          • Njordheim

            LOL @ U ….,

          • Quartermaster

            Insane laughter is always entertaining.

          • Alex George

            Of course, because you cannot contradict a single thing he says.

          • Njordheim

            Incorrect t again. All you do is flipping the truth I am presenting. The understanding here is that I am the one good guy who presents the truth and you are the Ukrap Mental Case, Banderite UkrNaZZi and Libtards who is on defensive trying to flip the truth, which is BTW totally futile.

          • Alex George

            Nice try, but I wrote the truth and you know it.

            You have been unable to contradict anything he said.

            In particular, that Putin is a well known pederast who likes to kiss the stomachs of little boys.

          • Alex George

            Even if any of that was true, what does it have to do with the fact that you cannot contradict a single thing he says?

          • Dagwood Bumstead

            Look at the facts for once instead of repeating your demented pedophile master’s nonsense.
            Fact: Kyiv has a Free Trade and Association Agreement with the EU, a community of 500 million. Moscow doesn’t and won’t get one.
            Fact: Ukrainians will be geting visa-free travel to the EU. And Dwarfstanians won’t.
            Fact: despite Dwarfstan doing its very best to sabotage the Ukrainian economy, it grew about 2% last year. Dwarfstan’s economy, on the other hand, shrank.
            Fact: Dwarfstan is losing sales of oil and gas to the EU, thanks to its own stupidity- the EU no longer sees Dwarfstan as a reliable supplier and is reducing its dependency on Moscow’s whims. Poland and the Baltics are leading the way; by 2021- 4 years from now- Dwarfstan won’t sell any more oil or gas to Poland. Result: less income for Dwarstan, fewer $$$ for Dwarfstan’s state budget, for the dwarf’s senseless wars, and for the offshore bank accounts of the dwarf and his crooked chums Medvedev, Rogozin, Lozhvrov, Shoigu, Siluanov and Co.

            Who’s the failure?????? NOT the Ukraine.

          • Andrew Chmil

            ***SERBIAN*** — & you are ASHAMED OF IT!!! :)))

          • Alex George

            Except it isn’t, a failure, is it?

            Ukraine’s economy is growing, Russia’s is failing

            Russia’s third rate army has failed in the Donbass. It cannot overcome the courageous Ukrainian defenders who hold back the uncultured barbarians from the east.

            So also Ukraine’s culture and political entity is getting better while Russia collapses.

          • Njordheim

            Ukraine is not a country, it is a TOTAL Failure!! Russian in the other end is doing whatever the Russia wants to do, better and better and is moving forward through the “big doors”!

            Washington spent the last three years trying to destroy Russia’s energy sector. The latest news is that now Moscow might seize U.S. oil company Citgo Petroleum if Citgo’s cash-strapped parent company defaults on billions in loans… oh my!

            Again…. Putin 12 Points!!

          • Alex George

            Oh please, what has Russia actually done? Anything:?

            Ukraine’s economy is growing, Russia’s is failing

            Russia’s third rate army has failed in the Donbass. It cannot overcome the courageous Ukrainian defenders who hold back the uncultured barbarians from the east.

            So also Ukraine’s culture and political entity is getting better while Russia collapses.

          • Alex George

            Ha ha, which means you cannot contradict anything he said, can you? ;o) Just as you cannot contradict anything in the article, as you repeatedly show.

          • Njordheim

            Incorrect again. All you do is flipping the truth I am presenting in a futile attempt your fellow Ukrap Trolls would applaud.

            The understanding here is that I am the one good guy who presents the truth and you are the Ukrap Mental Case, Banderite UkrNaZZi and Libtards who is on defensive trying to flip the truth, which is BTW totally futile.

          • Alex George

            No, you are running away from the truth he told you, about Vladimir Putin’s known pederastic tendencies.

            Putin is so perverted that he cannot help himself – he even kisses the stomachs of little boys in public (although at least he slunk away when he realised he was being filmed).

        • Alex George

          You didn’t describe anyone. None of your comment made any sense.

          • Njordheim

            All you do is flipping the truth I am presenting in a futile attempt your fellow Ukrap Trolls would applaud. This type of idiot.

          • Alex George

            Not at all. You are just trying to deflect from the truth that your dear Fuehrer Putin is a pederast who likes to kiss the stomachs of little boys – at least when he thinks no-one is filming it!

    • Kruton

      #Nazi child killer

      • Njordheim

        I agree, your NaZZi dad was an awful person, Cretin.

        • Alex George

          I agree, your NaZZi dad was an awful person, Cretin.

          • Njordheim

            I agree, your NaZZi dad too was an awful person, Cretin.

          • Alex George

            I agree, your NaZZi dad was an awful person, Cretin.

    • Alex George

      Except that you can’t actually contradict any of it, can you? You don’t even try.

      If you were serious, you would explain why you thought something he wrote was wrong. But you can’t.

      • Njordheim

        There is no need to repeatedly contradict your patently false statements. Doing so would be a huge waste of time as you are posting lies around the clock, which is typical troll behavior.

        Truth is exactly the opposite and everyone sane agree that what is going on in Ukraine is a nothing short of total disaster.

        • BCHistorian

          Njordheim, I’ve read your rants here. None of them have to do with this extremely serious ecological disaster-in-the-making, if such a pipeline is ever built. Instead, you rant on about Ukraine. This thoughtful article raises very serious issues, and what do you do? You simply start raving about Ukrainians and Mr. Goble. I agree with Alex G. Please give a logical rebuttal to this article. Otherwise, please don’t waste everyone’s time.

          • Njordheim

            I did not invite you to respond but as you insist, most of the UkroTrolls comments scream “I am Russophobe!!! I am Russophobe!!! I am Russophobe!!!” and you are saying noting.

          • Alex George

            You don;t get to invite or dis-invite anyone. You will sit there and read our comments, little boy. You are a Russophobe and a Nazi – everyone understands that.

          • Njordheim

            I agree, your NaZZi dad was an awful person, Cretin.

          • Alex George

            Sorry, but denial will not help you here. The fact is that you don’t get to invite or dis-invite anyone. You will sit there and read our comments, little boy. Do as you are told.

            Yes, you are a Russophobe just like Putin – thank you for admitting it.

            But the important thing is that you cannot contradict anything in the article, nor in our comments. You rarely even try to do so, which is wise.

        • Alex George

          But you haven’t attempted to contradict even one of them. So you aren’t doing anything “repeatedly” or even once.

          • Njordheim

            I agree, your NaZZi dad was an awful person, and the truth is exactly to the opposite of what you are saying, Cretin.

          • Alex George

            LOL And you still haven’t attempted to contradict even one of them. You try to use abuse (not very well) and think nobody will notice that you don;t actualy have any counter-arguments – but the truth is everybody can see it .;o)

            So you aren’t doing anything “repeatedly” or even once.

    • Brent

      “Russophobe!!! Russophobe!!! Russophobe!!!”

      You used to bleat “Bandera!!! Bandera!!! Bandera!!!” in the exact same manner “NOBRAINS”….does Kiko have his hand up your butt to manipulate you this way or is there a string on your chest that he pulls?

      • Njordheim

        Antisemitism Antisemitism Antisemitism…. same crap.. but somehow your shit doesn’t stink?! You are a “NOBRAINS”.

        • Alex George

          Yes, you are anti-semitic, because you are a Nazi. We worked you out a long, long time ago. And you cannot contradict anything in the article, as you repeatedly show .

          • Njordheim

            Why do you care? You Khazarain Trolls are wannabe fake jews. No connection to Moses or Israelites whatsoever.

          • Brent

            Slither back to your Mongolian homeland little sheeple….

          • Alex George

            There is no such word as “Khazarain”, you baby.

            You are anti-semitic, because you are a Nazi. We worked you out a long, long time ago. And you cannot contradict anything in the article, as you repeatedly show .

      • Njordheim

        I agree, your NaZZi dad was an awful person, Branddy Cretin.

        • MichaelA

          ha ha you cant even spell

  • Mykola Potytorsky

    Glory to NovoSiberia!!!!!

    • Dagwood Bumstead

      NovoSibelia, surely?

      • Mykola Banderachuk

        yes Siberia is not russian territory but China’s

  • Kruton

    #commie nutjobs gone wild

  • veth

    Siberia is CHINA!

  • Eolone

    Aral Sea II

  • zorbatheturk

    This is the thin edge of the Chinese wedge.

  • Mephisto

    they destroyed the Aral sea, now is time for Bajkal. The Chinese will soon kill to extenction all rhinos, elefants and exploit Africa.