Poles and Ukrainians must forgive each other — Poroshenko

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2014/12/17 • News

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in his speech before the ceremonial gathering of both houses of the Polish parliament on Wednesday, December 17, thanked Poland for its solidarity with Ukraine and urged the Ukrainian and Polish people to forgive each other for past mistakes.

Poroshenko pointed out that the histories of Poland and Ukraine have been intertwined for centuries. The Wielkopolska Chronicle (Chronicle of Greater Poland — Ed.), written in the 13th century, was the first to record the legend of Lech, Czech and Rus, the three brothers who founded three Slavic nations (Poland, Czech Republic and Ukraine — Ed.), he said.

According to Poroshenko, Poles and Ukrainians are especially aware that the close relationship between them over many centuries has made them what they are today: “Close in spirit, in language, in European values, in the Christian faith.”

Over centuries the two nations have traveled a common path, which was complicated and often tragic. “We lived together in large empires that vanished, leaving us a legacy of misunderstanding,” he said.

“In history there are examples of common victories over enemies. But things have also happened that we don’t even want to remember,”  he said

Poroshenko agreed with the statements of Polish President Bronisław Komorowski that the past should not divide the two countries.

“We are inspired by the ideas of the leaders of our churches, who when speaking of the tragic common histories during World War II and the immediate post-war years, with great wisdom advise us to ‘forgive and ask forgiveness,'” he said.

Poroshenko also cited the words of Pope John Paul II, who on the eve of the 60th anniversary of the Volyn tragedy said. “If God has forgiven us in Christ, then believers must also forgive mutual wrongs.”

“We must do everything possible for further reconciliation and the unity of our peoples, Poroshenko concluded.

Translated by: Anna Mostovych
Source: Pravda
Source: YouTube

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  • W8post

    “In history there are examples of common victories over enemies. But things have also happened that we don’t even want to remember,” he said

    Poroshenko agreed with the statements of Polish President Bronisław Komorowski that the past should not divide the two countries.”

    So Poland agrees with Ukraine and Ukraine with Poland.

    Germany killed millions of Russians (Stalingrad) and Russia killed millions of Germans. > WWII <
    [Not even talking about the millions of Ukrainians killed by/through STALIN!]
    SO, what's in it for MERKEL to be that 'friendly' to PUTO??

    Sweden fought Norway; Spain fought the Netherlands; and what about all those messing around in Crimea in 1853? They all live happily in peace together to-day, [well, more or less…] EXCEPT the RUSSIANS, what's wrong with those guys…HÉ PUTO, BEHAVE!!!
    Photo of 'Poland' in Ukraine (Polish Cote of Arms in Uman, Sophia Park)

    • Rods

      SO, what’s in it for MERKEL to be that ‘friendly’ to PUTO??

      Common past, Merkel was a product of the GDR and Putler was based at the time of the falling of the Berlin wall and also German-Russian trade. Where Germany is the biggest European exporter to Russia and importing relatively cheap Russian energy is very important to keep the wheels of industry turning where Russian energy keeps industry’s costs competitive compared to them having to use expensive renewables (private consumers largely pay these additional costs).

      I’m sure Merkel would happily totally sell out Ukraine with any settlement with Putler, as long as she can make the proud boast, that not one Euro of trade or sale of a VW, BMW or Merc was lost lost to Germany as a result of any agreement.

      The Euro currency noose along with EU micro-management of countries is gradually strangling most European countries economically with declining global competitiveness (a bit less for those that have retained their currencies), where the EU largely follows the French legal model that everything is illegal unless a law specifically makes it legal (The UK/US Anglo-Saxon model is that everything is legal, unless made illegal and therefore much more efficient), so for all EU countries to a lesser or greater extent they will sell out anybody as long as it adds a few Euros / local currency sales to their struggling economies. This is why the EU has been a constant drag on what the US have wanted to impose in sanctions on Russia.

      A previous botched French designed 19th currency union was the Latin Monetary Union (LMU), which collapsed in the early 20th century. Like the Euro it had the flaws of not having one common, all controlling, central bank and a political union. Also like with the Euro (another French design) its main aim was French Hegemony, which has also failed again, where French economic performance has been much weaker than Germany’s. Sarkozy, was very much Germany’s and Merkel’s economic lapdog during the recent Euro crisis. Joint meetings and economic policies and statements were based on Merkel’s agenda, with Sarkozy just getting and giving lip service in the name of a united front in the face of adversity.

      • Paul P. Valtos

        YOu cannot win anything if you attempt to solve all problems at once. Russia avec Putin is the problem and caused all of this falderall. Once Putin is gone or shot or shipped to Siberia the rest of these side effects will become minimum and can be solved. You cannot ignore the fool in the room who keeps opening windows in below 50degree weather.

        • Rods

          I don’t disagree with this but when you are part of a negotiating term, with other members having hidden agendas, it is sensible to aware of them, understand their motivation for being there and acting accordingly. Otherwise, in a long tiring, late night, negotiating session it is very easy to be coerced into a settlement that is in everybody else’s interests, except yours!

          Putin is Europe’s current biggest problem, but by no means the only one. The low oil price and ruble meltdown, means that instead of Putin wanting a settlement on his terms, he needs any settlement on on any reasonable face saving terms, to reduced sanctions and gain access to Western capital again and everybody in the room will know it. He may bluff or go all in with a general war in Ukraine (very dangerous as it might also weaken his position further), but IMO, a settlement he must make to stay in power and make an attempt at some sort of economic recovery. If he doesn’t then his position without something like a major oil price surge will continue to weaken.

          IMO this is how much Putin’s position has changed over the last week with his country’s economic crisis and ever closer potential economic meltdown.

    • Adam Rytwiński

      Hey Guy, this coat of arms is not Polish! It looks like Russian or something like this… Or was it a sarkasm from your side?

      • W8post

        No joke nor sarcasm intended. I did some investigation and it is indeed the côte of arms of the Russian Empire. Why did I say it was Polish: In the town of UMAN (UA) there is a park; it is called “National Dendrological Park Sophia”or simply ‘Sophia Park’. The founder of the park was a Polish Count called ‘Stanislaw Szczesny Potocki’, who had the park MADE for his wife Sophia; but also at that time Uman was on Russian soil. When I visited the park I was told by a guide that this was the PERSONNEL côte of arms of the count. Thanks to you Adam, I now know that I was fouled. (but why should I have known better, I accepted what the guide told me [in slurry, broken English]). I apologise if I’ve hurt your feelings, that was not intended. (if it helps, next year I will visit Krakow)-the photo is the Count

        • Adam Rytwiński

          No problem at all, You didn’t hurt my feeling, I just wanted to clear an issue. Thank you for your explanation, regards :)
          P.s.: Sometimes touristic guides say such rubbish information, in Poland as well 😉

  • W8post

    I just got an answer to my question:
    Fritz Ehrlich: Die Gründe für Russlands Niedergang

  • kpharck

    Even if it takes time, we must first study and teach the history, openly discuss the problems, then agree about the facts. Remember, never forget. Where there is good will, nothing will stop us brothers from reconciliation.

  • Paul P. Valtos

    The common enemy is Russia. If that does not unite the goal of these people nothing will.

  • Adam Rytwiński

    It was a historical speech, I like it and admire as well. It is important to remember the history to avoid bad issues in future, to be smarter. I have no problem to forgive to anybody who says “I’m sorry”, I have no problem to say “sorry” to anybody, we cannot build our future relations on bad memories. Members of my family were living in Volynia in 1943, they were Poles, and they were saved by their Ukrainian neighbours. Those niighbours were also risking their lives, as UPA fighters were threating them for hiding their Polish fellows. Today I’m thankfull to those unknown,brave Ukrainian brothers who helped my family.
    We should look at the things which are common for our nations and build our future together, based on trustness, dignity, respect, friendship and beeing open to each other. The historical issues, even if they are painfull must be honestly cleared, just for our future, healthy and friendly relations.
    Slava Ukraini! Niech żyje Polska!

  • James from Dallas

    Does anyone hear a movement towards the United Slavic Republics or Union of Slavic Republics? Or, could The Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland and Ukraine just for one state? I wonder how many other Slavic states would be interested in joining together. From a NATO standpoint, issues arise if a new state is formed. I would best first for one state to annex the others under a NATO state, then form a new federation with existing borders. How would former states of Yugoslavia fit into this model. And, of course, does Finland fit into this model. One might guess this could be a very big and power state.

    • Tim Bucknall

      hopefully we’ll all be in the EU soon anyway.

      but such an alliance has been a dream of Polish Statesmen for centuries
      hypothetically it should not be limited to Slavic nations, and should include Romania, the Baltic States, Finland and a Post-Orban Hungary

      and possibly the more pro-western of the former Yugoslav republics