Germany ready to hand over Donbas to Putin

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2014/07/02 • Analysis & Opinion

The quadrilateral talks in Berlin today demonstrated that European diplomats are ready to close their eyes to the existence of a Putin controlled quasi-state in the Donbas just to avoid direct conflict with Russia.

After two days of the renewed anti-terrorist operation in eastern Ukraine, talks took place in Berlin with the participation of the foreign ministers of Ukraine, Russia, Germany, and France regarding the peaceful resolution of the situation in eastern Ukraine.

The diplomats met in the German capital at the invitation of the German Minister of Foreign Affairs Frank-Walter Steinmeier , which elicited the sincere and well-deserved thanks from his Russian colleague Sergey Lavrov.

The participants in the closed door negotiations stated they had reached a “package of agreements on a truce in southeastern Ukraine.” As Steinmeier commented on the results of the negotiations, “I think with joint effort we will be able to move away from the escalation of the conflict that has taken place in recent days….The Berlin conference has developed measures that point the way to a sustainable and mutual  ceasefire,” he said.

All these pacifist announcements indicate only one thing — the strongest country in the EU seeks to freeze the conflict in the Donbas at any cost to avoid the need to engage in tough confrontations with Putin’s Russia and to be obligated to move to the third level of sanctions. This option seems to fully satisfy Putin as well. After all, any “de-escalation” in eastern Ukraine and the continuation of “negotiations” with the terrorists only “legitimizes” the terrorist “republics” of DPR (Donetsk People’s Republic) and (Lohansk People’s Republic). Furthermore, the achievement of “sustainable ceasefire” will give rise to the creation on Ukrainian territory, and under Russia’s control, of a “quasi state” on the order of a new Transnistria. Then,  in his relations with Ukraine, Putin will be able to  exchange military tactics for the already familiar gas and trade wars.

According to this scenario, Germany, where Putin’s lobby is very strong, will be able to play along with Putin while saving face in a more or less civilized fashion under the cover of pretentious statements on the need for peace. With this development there will be no need to invoke sanctions against Russia, which Mrs. Merkel absolutely does not want to do — the war has been brought to an end, stability restored. As for the occupation of Crimea, Russia has already been forgiven for that. Again it will become possible, as was the case when Russia invaded Georgia, to slowly resume cooperation with the aggressor “on the basis of mutual respect and partnership.”

Moreover, the German position is logical and understandable. Why get involved in an inconvenient struggle and suffer losses through  reduced cooperation with Russia just for the sake of some distant Ukraine? The only problem is that our country is not the first to have experienced Russian aggression. In Poland and the Baltic states, which have been “lucky” to have already experienced the “Russian world,” people understand very well that Putin will not be pacified for long. The only question is where exactly the Russian leader will decide to go protect his compatriot population next time.

By Taras Klochko, Espreso TV, July 2, 2014

Translation: Anna Mostovych

Source Espreso.TV

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  • Mykola Banderachuk

    Since when does Germany have anything to say about Ukraine? This is a sickening idea.

    • Gaydude100

      That happened after the US reckoned it had anything to say anywhere in the world !

      • Mykola Banderachuk

        what? you make no sense

        • Gaydude100

          Ok, let’s make it clear …. I was being sarcastic about the US wanting to have it’s say in the Ukraine where it probably has less business than Germany. (and everywhere else in the world as well)

        • Gaydude100

          Ok, let’s make it clear …. I was being sarcastic about the US wanting to have it’s say in the Ukraine where it probably has less business than Germany. (and everywhere else in the world as well)

          • Murf

            The US has a say in the Ukraine because they want us there. Remember they asked for our help. The fact is they want more help then we are giving.
            Unlike the Russians who the UA does not want but they involv them selves anyway.

  • Bill Roy

    Last time I looked Ukraine was not within the borders of Russia, Germany, or France!
    Let’s replace Germany with Poland and France with either Lithuania or Estonia and then see what is ‘decided’ before hand.
    Germany & France will NEVER be able to lead the EU ever again, they have shown themselves ready to sell people into slavery for Russian gold. No ceasefire until ALL terrorists and Russian soldiers have been defeated and either retreat to Russia WITHOUT ANY weaponry or surrender to the Ukrainian armed forces.
    Stand Strong Ukraine
    Glory To Ukraine.

    • Milton Devonair

      Yup. US miltary bases should be removed from germany, italy and spain and relocated to poland, romania, and israel.
      Let ‘old europe’ pay their own bills and defend themselves.

      • Gaydude100

        US shouldn’t have military bases anywhere else other than the US itself …. That will work well for the rest of the world !

        • Milton Devonair

          Commrade if any country that has a US base wants us to leave, we do. Remember, we aren’t russians–we are Americans.

          • Gaydude100

            Hahahaha .. US pays countries to have military bases there ! I’m not Russian either

          • Milton Devonair

            There is some cost sharing, but more and more of the costs have been put on the usa and also, the hosting country doesn’t pay personnel costs…and those people spend money in that economy of that country….

            So the usa should support more friendly countries and/or bring their troops back to the usa to spend it here…on illegals……

          • Gaydude100

            USA has no business being there. Has enough problems of it’s own than to interfere in other countries.

          • Milton Devonair

            You’re trolling all over the place trying to get someone to interact with you like an adult huh?

          • Gaydude100

            And you came to the rescue !

          • llewellynh

            Germany certainly can afford to defend itself.

          • Murf

            And you would whining if we didn’t.

      • Murf

        I agree fully.
        the 3rd CAV should be re positioned to Poland and the 173rd Airborne to Romania. They have been begging us to do this for years.
        Additionally a heavy Mech Independent Brigade should be permanently based in eastern Europe. The only US bases in Germany should be a Ramstine if for no other reason than strategic position.
        I spent a year in Germany and I loved it. However it has been made clear that their interests and ours are not in alignment when it comes to Russia.
        Hopefully that will change.
        The reality is that in a crisis any units in Germany could not be given permission to move in order to reinforce our eastern European allies.
        It’s unlikely but ask any European 6 months ago if a territorial dispute would be resolved by invasion they would have laughed at you or haven given you a patronizing smile reserved for simpletons.
        Not so much now
        It’s a brave new world we live in. Best we start looking at it closely.

        • Milton Devonair

          Outstanding post! And I’ve said what you did about moving bases also. I’d put a US Navy presence in the Baltic nations with a Marine detachment. Finland is right across the water, so good training with them and the swedes too.

          Russia? “F**k rUssiA”. If they don’t like having free countries on their borders, well, we should just arm those countries and those countries should be heavily trained in their civvie population. vietnam has it right, neighborhing china, they have a small military, but 4 million reservists/national guard. Countries around the corrupt cesspool called ‘russia’ should copy that model and stockpile weapons caches.

          • Murf

            They could be based out of Dansk which has good navel facilities. and the US could coordinate with the Polish Navy and shore based Anti ship missiles batteries.
            That would help secure Poland’s northern coast.
            Some would call this provocative. I am of the opinion that a confrontation between Russia and the west is inevitable. Bringing it on sooner is better than later.
            If Poland and Ukraine are willing to stand up to them then we should help them as much as possible.

          • Milton Devonair

            And those RA/NG numbers are for a western style army. For smaller countries with smaller numbers of heavy/crew served type arms, ‘light infantry’ would be better as they are on their home turf.

            If there were a ‘home guard’ in the donbas oblast, when the russians sent in their paid russians/chechens and used the local criminals, the local Ukrainians could turn the invaders and into mulch. Those trucks and tanks that are crossing the border will be turned into burning metal. Any air would be met by shoulder launched sams.

            Well armed neighbors make for polite neighborhoods.

          • Murf

            “Good fences” as they say.

    • Milan Schulz

      Slava Ukraina! Avstralia s vami!

  • sandy miller

    Bill Roy. I totally agree with you. For those who don’t live in Ukraine, we want to give money for Ukrainian army and for them to hire mercenairies to help. Ukrainian government needs to ask Poland, Canada, Austrailia, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and any other country worried about Putin Regime get together and fight the bastards. Take the Germans and Frence out too. All their products need to be boycotted for trying to sell Ukraine into slavery againin!

    • Pyltry

      Mercenaries? You think a psychopath army will make peace? Are YOU a psychopath? Disgusting.

      • sandy miller

        pyltry…What kind of peace can you have with pigs like the Putler regime that lay in the mud? How else do you fight psychopaths? Mercenairies are used all over the world. Ukraine should just be used, abused, tortured and killed and not fight back? He’s tried to kill not only the people but the culture and our history. Putler has humiliated the country for no reason except to show his power over a weak country. He should be inprisoned and isolated by the world. Instead, those cowards and pigs the europeans who lay in the mud with him have inslaved Ukraine again. And there’s nothing she should do about that?

        • Milton Devonair

          The little rat putin is looking like the north korean rat in building a cult of personality for him, brainwashing kids.

          http://euromaidanpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/killer.jpg

          • LorCanada

            Yes, I feel sad that the young people have been ‘seduced’ by the propaganda Putin is presenting to them.

          • Milton Devonair

            It is sad, but happens. At least the people in russia don’t have access to a lot of different information due to the neo-soviet putin.
            The obama-kids are the real sense of bewilderment. They have access to many different sources of information, yet willingly remain firmly entrenched in their programmed ignorance.

        • Pyltry

          You’re entitled to hate Putin. And the world is entitled to hate mercenaries. They are scum, used by the west. A west that fails to assess the result of their military adventures in the world. Ukraine is being used in a cockfight between brothers and sisters by the west.

          http://rinf.com/alt-news/war-terrorism/silence-atrocities-us-intimidated-mercenaries/

          The right side to join here, is on the peoples side against psychopaths. And they are rather equally distributed in the population of the countries in the world.
          After all, how can any person kill any other person if there’s no psychopath involved? Either the killer is the psychopath, or the person(s) brainwashing the killer.
          Also remember that psychopaths have better traits to gain power. That’s our REAL problem, worldwide.

      • Milton Devonair

        So I hope you are against the pig putin in sending in russians and chechens to rape, murder, kidnap and loot Ukrainians as by definition, they are “mercenaries”.

        I’d LOVE for humans go to to eastern Ukraine and eradicate the russian and chechen vermin there.

        And free countries also should be dumping in containers of arms into Kyiv as once again, Ukraine is fighting a russian invasion. Russians, being the ignorant people they are, they only understand one thing…..

        • Pyltry

          You can be sure I’m against anyone on ANY side sending in people to rape & murder. That’s in fact exactly what I’m talking about here.
          Mercenaries are the SCUM of the earth – true subhumans. Fighting other peoples battle for money? If hell exists, that’s guaranteed to get you a ticket to there. There is NO way mercenaries going to solve anything in this HORRIBLE war between brothers and sisters. Beware of the psychopaths on BOTH sides who take pleasure in escalating the killing. The psychopaths are our common enemy, not one person or country in some conflict. If we don’t deal with the psychopath problem, then we’re doomed as a species.

          • Milton Devonair

            Some “mercenaries” aren’t only in it for the money. Using that definition, USA security contractors are mercenaries….but they aren’t, they are very patriotic, so they won’t work for isis, hamas, or russia.
            Ukraine certainly could use more trained and experienced military people…and arms. Nothing wrong with that as they are fighting to defend their country and it was the russians that invaded their third and fourth country that has caused the Ukrainians to have to defend themselves. Good for Ukraine and all those helping Ukraine.

            The people putin’s russia sent in are mercenaries in the purest sense of the word, but not professional, so they are also criminals, but this is typical of russia and russians. These are the russian and chechen criminal trash that’s in ukraine:

          • Milton Devonair

            “this HORRIBLE war between brothers and sisters”

            Russia and Russians are the problem. The russians aren’t ‘brothers’ with anyone as they’ve been brainwashed into ignorance of their ‘northern slav’ superiority over everyone else, including southern slavs.
            Here’s the one with english subtitles, “We Can Never Be Brothers.”

          • Pyltry

            I don’t know if Анастасия and those Lithuanian musicians are proud of hearing themselves singing about people bathing in their own blood, now that it has become reality on both sides, and civilians are suffering. There is just no future in fueling the hate. The murdering simply must stop unconditionally on both sides, now. We all have an obligation not not allow ourselves to get brainwashed by psychopaths.
            Remember, there are bad and good people on both sides. NEVER demonize a whole people – that has been done before in history, with known result.

          • Milton Devonair

            Comrade, the civilians are only suffering because of you russians and chechens (and don cossacks) using them for human shields, raping them, kidnapping them, murdering them, robbing them…ya know, just being like a russian to them.

            The world is constantly reminded why no one likes, nor trusts russians. Heck, just look at how they treat their “allies”.

            Even as far back as 1918, russia was exposed for what it is, via Winston Churchill:

            “Russia is being rapidly reduced by the Bolsheviks to an animal form of Barbarism….Civilization is being completely extinguished over gigantic areas, while the Bolsheviks hop and caper like troops of ferocious baboons amid the ruins of cities and the corpses of their victims”

          • Pyltry

            There is no comrade on this side of the discussion.

            Have you understood my previous reply to you?

            “being like a russian”…You keep talking about Russians as if they all were some kind of evil species. Wake up from your hate spell?

          • Milton Devonair

            Russia is a country that has invaded four other countries with the intention of not letting them get away from being enslaved by them.
            And the majority of russians (in russia and outside of russia) support this, cheerlead this, and encourage this.

            You be the judge. And if someone is cheerleading alongside of them, they are “comrades” in the russian world.

      • Mykry

        Isn’t Russia employing paid mercenaries in Eastern Ukraine? What the hell are the Chechens doing there?

        • Pyltry

          Perhaps they are? I don’t know. Please share a link to some source of information.
          That doesn’t change the fact that mercenaries are scum and should never be allowed on any side.
          I do know both sides have severe problems with getting ordinary people to join the slaughtering. And that gives a hint that the ordinary people don’t wan’t to fight. Psychopath politicians and their media tools must never be allowed to brainwash the people to fight their brothers and sisters, Such leaders are the true enemy of any people.

    • Gaydude100

      Better still Sandy… why don’t YOU become a mercenary and see and experience how people get killed ? Maybe the world will get lucky and you might become a victim too ! You are a stupid woman !

    • Murf

      Sorry Sandy, I love your enthusiasm, but Ukraine has plenty of fighting men at her disposal. What Ukraine’s problem is is an ossified and corrupt command and supply structure. The Army needs beans, bullets and strong leadership.
      To many generals still see NATO as the main threat and Russia as their buddies.
      hopefully the changes PPP, triple P, or x3P (President Petro Poroshenko, Hay I just coined a nick name! Although it sounds like a work out video. Heh heh) Will have an effect.

  • llewellynh

    This is just plain nuts.

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  • Fredrik Kotore

    Merkel is smelling more and more like a dead fish – another idiot on the world stage

  • Jacks Channel

    Looks like a replay of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact all over again. Ukrainians, I suggest you completely ignore Merkel and Putin. They don’t have your best interest in mind.

    Long live a united Ukraine.

  • tsyrovet .

    Mrs. Merkel is not as simple. She is Dr. in physics and is a supporter of democracy. Simply because it works better than dictatorship and is safer. Wait, she gets what she wants, but sometimes it takes time. I am sure, Ukraine will profit from her support. The public and press opinion in Germany is pro-Ukrainian. Politicians as well (although they do not say what they really think). Glory to Ukraine.

  • Evelyn Myketa Livingston

    Lets hope that putin next sets his sights on germany …Ukraine is not obligated to sign off on any proposal that is not beneficial to Ukraine.

  • 1sagepeter2

    well if she’s bopping him like it seems she is that country will turn over to communist rule. and as history dictates germany is again in the broader plan of trying to conquer nations. to bad so sad.

  • Eric Daniels

    Ukraine should keep bombing their country to bits, don’t worry about paying your people to survive just send them to die and think of all the money you will save on pensions. Ukraine has a lot of demands and little leverage to get anything accomplished, aside from destroying your countries infrastructure even further what does Ukraine stand to gain from all this shelling of resident homes and businesses? I mean without an economy how will you ever support yourselves and afford to expand. You cannot pay your gas bill but you can waste millions on fighting a war that could drag on for months if not years. Seems to me making some money for your country should be your first priority.

    • LorCanada

      Eric, it’s time to clear out the criminals who are threatening the local people of east Ukraine. Most want a UNITED UKRAINE, not divided, and the sooner the separatists realize that, the better.

      Tell Putin to return Crimea to its rightful owner, Ukraine. He steals and lies too regarding his unmarked soldiers overtaking Crimea. Personally I would not pay Putin a single penny, or ruble, for the gas until he gave back what he stole: Crimea.

  • evanlarkspur

    Bill Roy has my vote for head negotiator at the table of the cease fire talks. Well said, Bill! The West is once again being offered the choice between war and dishonor. We are choosing dishonor, and we will have war anyway (Winston Churchill’s famously prescient words to chamberlain)

  • llewellynh

    Angela Merkel who is getting near the end of her career has just blown the opportunity to be among one of the great leaders of the world. She has sold her soul and the people of Ukraine down the river because she is unable to ask Germans to drive less and turn down thermostats and plan on having a tough winter.

    So she will get heat but in ways she isn’t apparently bright enough to see. Such a waste of talent. But should Putin keep pushing his way towards Germany she will have to understand that the world won’t be very sympathetic.